..续本文上一页y help unless you possess some degree of enlightenment yourself
Suzuki-rōshi: Uh-huh.
Student A: How would you know how to help
Suzuki-rōshi: Yeah, this is [laughs] very good question, I think. Do you have some—some [1 word unclear]—it is quite simple to—for me to answer, but do you have some opinion about it, or do you have some—
Student B: [1 word] you yourself have said the only true way to help is to help without helping, and perhaps that is the best way to do [1 word].
Suzuki-rōshi: What did you say
[Laughs, laughter.] To—
Student B: The only true way of helping is to help without consciously helping, that is not to help as a project of helping—
Suzuki-rōshi: Uh-huh.
Student B: —but just to be almost unconsciously helpful.
Suzuki-rōshi: Uh-huh. Yeah.
Student B: That, of course, isn”t the way you put it [laughs].
Student C: To be enlightened is to know that you need no help, and therefore know the other needs no help. You know what I mean [
], enlightenment does not give help. Enlightenment need help. No problem [laughs, laughter].
Suzuki-rōshi: Enlightenment wants no—or—help
Student C: To be enlightened is to need no help.
Suzuki-rōshi: Uh-huh.
Student C: It”s to know that you need—it”s to know that you need no help—
Suzuki-rōshi: Uh-huh.
Student C: —because there”s no—no [1 word]. So it”s no problem, then.
Suzuki-rōshi: It is possible, you mean
Student C: It”s—it”s not possible to give help. And—so that”s the term. How is it possible to give help
It”s not possible to give help. And this enlightened man you speak of knows. That”s what he knows. And it”s that there”s no help needed. So when he goes to his friend who needs help, he knows that there”s nothing to do, and that”s how he helps him. [Laughter, S.R. laughs.]
Student D: [4-6 words.]
Suzuki-rōshi: Yeah. [Laughs, laughter.]
Student E: Sensei, maybe the enlightened man knows that he needs help endlessly, you know, that he doesn”t stand by [
].
Suzuki-rōshi: I couldn”t follow.
Student D: As equally, as well, as not needing any help. [Laughter.]
Suzuki-rōshi: What did he say
[Laughter.] Will you put it some other way so that I may understand him
[Several students speak at once.]
Student F: He said that perhaps the—the enlightened man knows not—not only that he—that he doesn”t need any help, but that he needs help forever, that he doesn”t seem alone—
Suzuki-rōshi: Mm-hmm.
Student F: —in any sense, or independent—
Suzuki-rōshi: Oh, I—
Student F: —but that he”s dependent on all.
Suzuki-rōshi: Mm-hmm. But the—how to help others was his question. [Laughter, laughs.] How to help if you are bodhisattva
How actually can you help others
[Laughs.]
Student G: By remembering—remembering you”re—just by remembering you”re a Buddhist. That helps.
Suzuki-rōshi: Yeah.
Student G: You don”t remember the sickness, you remember the Buddha image.
Suzuki-rōshi: Uh-huh.
Student H: Is it something we can actually discuss
Is it actually possible to talk about
Student F: You could haul a drowning man out of the water. And you could give a sick man—
Suzuki-rōshi: No, oh, oh, yeah. You know, this is not discussion, actually. How do you want to help others
Actually.
Student I: Well, as long as we”re thinking about it, probably for some selfish reason—and that”s all right [laughs], because it seems to be a prime motivation of how this “to help other people.”
Suzuki-rōshi: Mmm.
Student I: And so as long as we realize that we”re helping, some people even get—feel guilty—Christians get into quite a guilty thing about it—
Suzuki-rōshi: Mm-hmm.
Student I: —but it”s just to, you know, to help, and whatever that means to us, to do it.
Suzuki-rōshi: Mm-hmm.
Student J: Before a person is able to help another person, doesn”t…
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